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Ray Gabriel
Posted: September 07, 2008 05:37 pm
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I found this today in the container with an Eusparassus walckenaeri eggsac which i collected nearly a month ago



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Posted: September 07, 2008 05:45 pm
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Almost as big a scallywag as Tescos but not worth a big mention
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Climaciella? very nice anyway Ray.


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Posted: September 07, 2008 05:52 pm
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Nope thats a NA genus but looks like there's a few in Europe.

Ya for wiky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantispidae


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Posted: September 07, 2008 06:18 pm
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Hi Ray,

looks like a Mantispidae. Recently Frank Schneider had one from a Heteropoda eggsack. He tried to raise it with spiderlings of C. crawshayi. She ate them, but he couldn't keep it alive for long. He wrote and article about his observations/experiences – will be published in one of the next issues of the »ARACHNE«.

=> I would recommand to get in touch with Frank (do you have is mail addy?)

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Posted: September 07, 2008 06:37 pm
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That's an evil looking mantid!


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Posted: September 07, 2008 06:39 pm
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Cheers for the replies.

I dont have Franks email, is he still on AOL? i have/had problems replying to AOL emails from my hotmail account.

Martin who would i send stuff for publishing to (spider stuff) ?

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Posted: September 07, 2008 08:08 pm
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Hi Ray,

QUOTE (Ray Gabriel @ September 07, 2008 06:39 pm)


I dont have Franks email, is he still on AOL? i have/had problems replying to AOL emails from my hotmail account.

I have sent you his mail addy.



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Martin who would i send stuff for publishing to (spider stuff) ?

it depends! =;-)
...for the BTS Journal send it to Richard, for the ARACHNE send it to me please.

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Posted: September 07, 2008 08:58 pm
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It's ugly that's what it is.lol.

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Posted: September 11, 2008 06:43 pm
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Yeah, very interesting Mantispidae, Ray...

Keep an eye on it and try to preserve it...as I don't think there are any reports of Mantispidae being parasitoids of tarantulas.

Mantispidae is a parasitoid of other spiders though...but the only time I've seen them has been on webs of spiders here. They lay their eggs in the eggsac of the spider and the larvae eat the spider eggs.

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Posted: September 11, 2008 08:20 pm
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Damn, why couldn't that have emerged last weekend when I was there? rolleyes.gif

Maybe an article for the BAS Newsletter there Ray? Probably of more relavence to araneomorph arachnologists, an article on these could easily "hide away" in a tarantula journal, never to be seen by those interested in huntsmen spiders and mantisflies rolleyes.gif

Maybe try asking your entomologist contacts at various museums, I'm sure they'll know somebody who do these.

Grrhhh, I've wanted to see one of these for ages head.gif

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Posted: September 13, 2008 10:01 am
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Any pics of the Eusparassus walckenaeri, Ray ?


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Posted: September 13, 2008 11:36 am
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Maybe try here Guy? wink.gif

Tansley, G. 1996. Rearing the giant huntsman spider Sparassus walckenaeri (Sparassidae). Journal of the British Tarantula Society, 11 (4): 126–132.

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Posted: September 13, 2008 12:20 pm
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QUOTE (RichardG @ September 11, 2008 08:20 pm)
Damn, why couldn't that have emerged last weekend when I was there? rolleyes.gif

Grrhhh, I've wanted to see one of these for ages head.gif

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Well if you hadnt ran away so early in the morning biggrin.gif I found it about 1 hour after you went

here is a pic of the spid for Guy (to jog his memory) roll.gif



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Posted: September 13, 2008 12:24 pm
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And here is the same spider a few days later


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Posted: September 21, 2008 12:38 am
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Wow, very nice...

Damn.. i would have told you its a mantis-fly too, they are quite closely related to things like lacewings and beetles, and only really distantly related to mantids.
www.secure-endpoints.com/afs/home/home/t1/thecl1/phylogeny.pdf

Convergent evolution at its best.

I only ever saw one before in my life, about 2 yrs ago while collecting in arizona, which landed on my sandwich. Then it magically jumped into a tube of ethanol. They are a really unusual group of insects to find, so huge congratulations and definately worth a BAS article. For contacts start with steve brooks at the nhm.

You couldnt, erm, preserve that one in an 100% ethanol bath could you?....or keep it alive smile.gif
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Posted: April 04, 2009 01:23 pm
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Hi,

QUOTE (Martin H. @ September 07, 2008 06:18 pm)


looks like a Mantispidae. Recently Frank Schneider had one from a Heteropoda eggsack. He tried to raise it with spiderlings of C. crawshayi. She ate them, but he couldn't keep it alive for long. He wrote and article about his observations/experiences – will be published in one of the next issues of the »ARACHNE«.

and here it is:
  • SCHNEIDER, F. & A. PALFI (2008): Die Fanghafte als Spinnenparasit. ARACHNE 14(2): 16-21.

    Abstract:
    Frank Schneider and Andreas Palfi report on the finding of a mantispid parasite that emerged from the egg sac of Heteropodid crab spider imported from Malaysia. Mantispids are small to moderate sized net winged insects whose larvae develop on spiders and in their egg sacs as parasites feeding on eggs and hemolymph. The authors report that the nocturnal adults could be fed with young tarantulas.

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